The Quest For Interns
So we hired 3 interns in January, for a 4 month coop: Malini from Waterloo, Daniel from ÉTS and Maxime from Sherbrooke University. We weren’t sure what the response would be to an apprentice ninja posting from a brand new, completely unknown startup. Back in November/December when we posted those jobs, we didn’t even have a blog, all we had was a bare website announcing something would come.
The response from Waterloo was a good surprise: we had somewhere around 40 applications. And the quality was there, too: we selected about 10 students that we wanted to meet in an interview. Of those there were probably 2 or 3 that we would have liked to work with, and one clearly stood out, and she accepted the job. A couple more students were very interesting, but their english was really not at a sufficient level. We don’t require a stellar handle of the english language, but do need to be able to converse with them pretty easily, and that they understand what’s going on.
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We also posted the job at many universities around here: McGill, Concordia, Polytechnique, USherbrooke, ÉTS. The response was the same from all 4: an itsy bitsy teeny tiny trickle of CVs. Less than 5 from each, quality greatly lacking from most. The only ones we wanted to meet were Daniel and Maxime. Fortunately, they both impressed us and we made them an offer, which they thankfully accepted.
All 3 are doing wonderfully well.
But why the discrepancy in the responses???
This time around, we have a website with a blog and pretty (and not so pretty) pictures and we’re starting to make ourselves known. We also have a larger team, and existing interns who can vouch for us. So we thought the local response would be better, but so far, no good. 4 applications from ÉTS, 1 of which we want to meet, and we’ve seen 1 from McGill that we want to meet out of something like 3 or 4 applications. We have yet to receive the applications from USherb, Polytechnique, Concordia.
That’s the other problem: scheduling. The deadline for ranking the Waterloo applicants is fast approaching, but we haven’t even received CVs from half the universities around here and haven’t met anyone else, so the timing isn’t very good between the different programs. It’s good between universities in the Montréal region, just not across provinces.
With what we’ve seen so far, we decided to hire 2 from Waterloo, which had sent us over 30 CVs, 10 of which we deemed interesting enough to interview, and 3 of which we’d like to work with.
But, again, why the discrepancy?
I spoke with a very nice internships supervisor from ÉTS, who told me that one “problem” was a red hot market for engineering coop students in Montréal. She said that for most coop terms recently, they have many more coop positions available than students to fill them, so the students have plenty of choice, and only apply to a handful. However, from what i gather, it’s the same situation at Waterloo, where most students told me they applied on 5 to 10 positions and saw many hundred postings. One guess is that there is simply more of a startup mentality at Waterloo, where students know of a few companies that originated from the university. How do we change that here?
If anyone has an input on this, and on how to make it easier for us to recruit quality students, please contact me (eric at akoha dot org). That being said, our current students are doing a great job, and we did get some very interesting applications for the next term.
So what are we looking for in an intern?
It’s simple, really: someone smart who gets things done. Someone with enthusiasm, someone who gets the project. Just as important as all that, someone we’ll get along with, who we know it’ll be fun working with.
Someone special.
We use technologies that are too new to be known by many, or aren’t new but for some reason still aren’t taught, so though we’d love to see someone who has excellent javascript-fu from writing an AJAX site for their school’s robotics club, or someone else who wrote a search algorithm in python that works efficiently on a 100e6 rows database table, it just doesn’t happen. So we look for people who are smart, motivated and interested and who we know will be able to pick up these skills easily.
Many students show interests outside of school, and that’s always a big plus. Some showed me some pretty good web work they’ve done. Some are just very cool people who actually dress for the part in the interview (you know who you are), and who at the end of the interview you figure you really want on your team.
I won’t say more, for fear of being attacked by a horde of applicants who will have prepared a scripted interview that would show exactly what we’re looking for, but that’s the gist of it.
So what are you waiting for?
If you’re a smart student whose interest was piqued by recent news from us, who’s already noticed our presence in different corners of the virtual universe, who thinks you’d get along great with our team, then please apply - we’ll always have interns and will always be on the lookout for them. Send us your resumé and cover letter to jobs at akoha dot org.
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At Nü Echo, a small company in downtown Montreal, we just hired 3 students from Polytechnique.
I think the best advice I can give you is to create a buzz around your company among the student population. But this takes time. Last year, the first year we hired interns from Polytechnique, we were an unknown company. We nonetheless had a few good candidates. They did a great job. But most importantly, they liked their experience. And they talked to their friends about it.
Also, this year, we gave a talk at Polytechnique in January and participated to their Wine & Cheese event where we met lots of students. Result: we could have hired twice the number of open intern positions we had. And with motivated, brilliant students. They really wanted to come work at Nü Echo.
BTW, I wrote a small post on this same topic a few weeks ago: http://theschemeway.blogspot.com/2008/02/recruiting-interns.html
Good luck!
Thanks for the feedback!
I posted a quick follow-up of mine to both posts: http://wwd.ca/blog/2008/02/21/quest-interns-part-2/
I don’t think this is necessarily a reflection of the actual teaching programs so much as the coop programs.
I went to Concordia (graduated in April 2007) and was briefly in their coop program. It’s absolutely terrible. At one point I was told to either take a part-time internship doing telemarketing (as a computer science student) or drop out. So I dropped out.
The coop advisors will tell you right to your face that it isn’t their job to find you an internship, that you’re expected to do that on your own. What their job actually is then I’m not too sure. Because of this, lots of students look for internships at the career fair. I was representing a company at the last Concordia career fair and almost every cv we got was from someone looking for an internship. Not that many were for full-time positions (which was what we were looking for). I suggest you get a booth at the career fair if you’re looking for interns from Concordia. Also, most students aren’t in the coop program. They only accept few in from the start and kick a lot out for not finding internships on their own.
I’ve also been to the career fair at ETS and at the end of the day we hadn’t collected a single cv and had talked to maybe 5 students or so. No one at ETS cares about the career fair because their coop program is very good and they don’t need to find jobs on their own, the coop process does it for them. It’s the exact opposite of Concordia.
I don’t know about any other schools around Montreal but hopefully this information will help. Also, if you’re looking for interns for this summer send me an email and I can probably get you some names of a few good candidates from Concordia that could be interested.